{"id":92714,"date":"2024-11-20T14:46:54","date_gmt":"2024-11-20T22:46:54","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/portal.bluetogold.com\/?p=92714"},"modified":"2026-09-14T08:23:50","modified_gmt":"2026-09-14T15:23:50","slug":"can-you-ignore-your-circuit-court-rulings","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/portal.bluetogold.com\/?p=92714","title":{"rendered":"Can You Ignore Your Federal Circuit Court&#8217;s Rulings?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>There is some truth to what the old-timers who are long in the tooth say: yeah, we can just ignore that, that&#8217;s federal, we&#8217;re in state, we don&#8217;t have to listen to it.<\/p>\n<p>That is true. And the reason it&#8217;s true is that state courts have their own sovereignty. They have their own authority to interpret the Fourth Amendment as they see it.<\/p>\n<p>The California Supreme Court can absolutely disagree with the Ninth Circuit. If they wanted to take up a similar case, they could say no, we can point guns at people as a matter of routine during these stolen car stops.<\/p>\n<p>The problem, though, is why would you do that?<\/p>\n<h2>Where it costs you money<\/h2>\n<p>Here&#8217;s the problem.<\/p>\n<p>A person in your city gets pulled over at gunpoint. Your officers are not articulating any danger, the kind of articulation the Ninth Circuit wants to see.<\/p>\n<p>Your driver is not going to run to the state courts to sue you. They&#8217;re going to run to federal court, because they know they have a case that&#8217;s exactly on point saying you can&#8217;t do it.<\/p>\n<p>So they&#8217;re going to get paid.<\/p>\n<p>You will write checks, even while your officers are saying hey, don&#8217;t worry about it, we have our own sovereignty, where&#8217;s the California state court case that says we can&#8217;t do that?<\/p>\n<p>Okay, fine. You&#8217;re right. But the problem is you&#8217;re going to pay money, because it&#8217;s clearly established.<\/p>\n<h2>That&#8217;s the qualified immunity trap<\/h2>\n<p>There it is. That second part of qualified immunity: was it clearly established?<\/p>\n<p>And there, the Ninth Circuit is the one that establishes it.<\/p>\n<p>You don&#8217;t get to judge shop. The plaintiff gets to court shop.<\/p>\n<p>If I&#8217;m a plaintiff&#8217;s attorney, and I&#8217;m in the business of suing cops, I&#8217;m not going to go to state court, because there&#8217;s no case on it there. I&#8217;m going to federal court. And that&#8217;s all I need.<\/p>\n<p>Does that make sense?<\/p>\n<p>That&#8217;s the problem with ignoring the Ninth Circuit. You do it at your own risk.<\/p>\n<h2>Related from Blue to Gold<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/portal.bluetogold.com\/losing-qualified-immunity\/\">Losing Qualified Immunity<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/portal.bluetogold.com\/chinaryan-versus-the-lapd\/\">Can Police Do a High-Risk Stop Just Because a Car Might Be Stolen?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/portal.bluetogold.com\/panels-and-precedents-a-mini-course-on-the-federal-circuit-courts\/\">Panels and Precedents: A Mini-Course on the Federal Circuit Courts<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><em>This article is an edited transcript of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=iF8Q52ykr74\">Roadside Chat Ep. #734<\/a>. It is legal training, not legal advice. Check your state law and your agency policy, because both can be more restrictive than the Fourth Amendment.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>State courts have their own sovereignty, so technically yes. 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