{"id":7200,"date":"2023-10-26T15:08:22","date_gmt":"2023-10-26T15:08:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/portal.bluetogold.com\/?p=7200"},"modified":"2026-09-17T06:23:13","modified_gmt":"2026-09-17T13:23:13","slug":"ordering-hidden-occupants-out-of-a-vehicle","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/portal.bluetogold.com\/?p=7200","title":{"rendered":"Ordering Hidden Occupants Out of A Vehicle"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>How can police order potentially smuggled people in a van out? My name is Anthony Bandiero, attorney and senior legal instructor for Blue to Gold Law Enforcement Training, bringing this question from officer in Illinois.<\/p>\n<p>The officer says, \u201cWould it be a Fourth Amendment violation by entering a full size van? It&#8217;s about 95 degrees outside, the engine is turned off. The driver did not consent to the entry and did not consent to a search. The officers believe that people being smuggled or trafficked are inside the van. Also, there\u2019s a <a href=\"https:\/\/portal.bluetogold.com\/can-you-search-a-driver-or-passenger-based-on-a-k9-alert-on-a-vehicle\/\">canine<\/a> en route.\u201d<\/p>\n<h2>Can police order occupants out of a van as a matter of routine?<\/h2>\n<p>Okay, this is a pretty good question. There are a few things going on here. Number one, if the officer or officers believe that there were occupants inside a car, they can order them out as a matter of routine. That case is Maryland versus Wilson, the Supreme Court extended the bright-line rule to allow an officer to order any passengers out of the car. Alternatively, the officer may also order all the occupants to remain in a car with their hands up. That&#8217;s United States versus Moorefield, a Third Circuit case.<\/p>\n<h2>What do you have to articulate to believe people are inside?<\/h2>\n<p>So going back to the scenario, if the officers believe that there are occupants in the vehicle, they have a right as a matter of routine, to order them out of the vehicle. The other thing is, a lot of officers and handlers do not run dogs around cars when they believe that there are people inside the vehicle. So look, if you&#8217;re going to go down the Maryland versus Wilson route, you better articulate why you believe people were in the vehicle.<\/p>\n<p>I know this is a Federal officer. So they may be looking at a smuggling thing, but let\u2019s just keep them separate. Okay, we\u2019re not going into the van to search for evidence. We&#8217;re simply going in there because we believe people are in there, and we want them out. Now, if you don&#8217;t have really any good evidence, hard evidence that there are people in the vehicle, then you&#8217;re on shaky ground.<\/p>\n<h2>Do exigent circumstances apply to people hidden in a vehicle?<\/h2>\n<p>The other officer also talks about exigent circumstances. That will also work. I can understand that. There could be some exigent circumstances, but maybe a van is pushing it as far as this kind of thing is concerned. But what if you thought that there were people in the back of a semi truck? Forget the evidence part, forget the fact that the driver may be smuggling people, or engaging in human trafficking. But if you have reason to believe that there&#8217;s somebody back there, then you also have this authority to hopefully protect them.<\/p>\n<h2>What is the simplest legal route to get them out?<\/h2>\n<p>But again, the easiest one that I would do here is just Maryland versus Wilson, \u201cYour Honor. This is why I believe somebody was in the van. I can order people out of the vehicle for officer safety.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And then we go from there. If you order them out, you knock on the window, bang on the side of the van and say, \u201cHey, I need you guys out of here.\u201d And if they don&#8217;t want to come out, you open the door. That&#8217;s fine, too, because they&#8217;re not complying. And if you happen to see evidence in <a href=\"https:\/\/portal.bluetogold.com\/open-view-versus-plain-view\/\">plain view<\/a>, we go from there.<\/p>\n<p>But I think that&#8217;s the way I would handle this case. I think the court would uphold it as long as you have reason to believe that people were inside the van.<\/p>\n<p>All right. Thank you for your questions. Hopefully this has helped you get it right every single time. Keep doing the good work and stay safe.<\/p>\n<h2>Related from Blue to Gold<\/h2>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/portal.bluetogold.com\/searching-bags-outside-the-vehicle-under-carroll\/\">Searching Bags Outside the Vehicle Under Carroll<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/portal.bluetogold.com\/can-police-officers-open-a-car-door-for-id-check\/\">Can Police Officers Open a Car Door for ID Check?<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/portal.bluetogold.com\/can-you-order-someone-to-roll-down-their-window-during-a-traffic-stop\/\">Can You Order a Driver to Roll Down Their Window?<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><em>This article is legal training, not legal advice. Check your state law and your agency policy, because both can be more restrictive than the Fourth Amendment.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How can police order potentially smuggled people in a van out? My name is Anthony Bandiero, attorney and senior legal instructor for Blue to Gold Law Enforcement Training, bringing this question from officer in Illinois. The officer says, \u201cWould it be a Fourth Amendment violation by entering a full size van? 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